Preface: For those of you who knew Bert Grant, and a few of you are old enough, I need not introduced the gentleman. I use the term loosely because he would be offended if I did. For those of you who are not old enough to remember Bert Grant, he was the most colorful, interesting and dedicated men involved in early micro brewing. If you’re interested Google him up…
The following is a telephone transcript from Wednesday, 19 December 1984.
BG: Grant here… Peter LaFrance?
PLF: Yes, speaking… I don’t know if you got my letter or not…
BG: Yes I did…
PLF: Oh excellent, excellent well you have an idea of what we’re doing. We’re going to do a monthly instead of a quarterly. What I am trying to do is put together a panel of experts, brewmaster’s of small breweries, and as many of the big breweries as I can get. That way when one of our readers has a particular question they want to know, or if we see something happening such as the distribution law this coming up. We like to be able to build up a report with the brewmaster’s and brewers in that particular area so that would be able to call them exchange ideas and find out what is going on. Then we can give our readers the best of the newest news of what’s happening in the area also for exchange of ideas. As particularly what we’re trying to do, the panel of experts. If you have the time I could possibly ask you a few questions right now…
BG: Yeah okay…
PLF: How did you become involved with brewing?
BG: Oh, I dropped out of high school... I didn’t drop out, I graduated early then I started out in1945 with a Canadian brewery, which is now Carling O’Keefe. Well I just started this, oh well it’s always three years as we started here you have…
PLF: How many types of beer do you brew at Yakima Brewing & Malting? That is the correct name for it? Do you have a brewpub set up there?
BG: Yes
PLF: Or do you distribute?
BG: We do both. We both distribute and have a brew-pub.
PLF: Distribution of both kegs and bottles?
BG: No… just kegs.
PLF: Is it all cask conditioned?
BG: Yes…
PLF: Is there a particular tapping arrangement that has to be done with your kegs?
BG: In our own pub we have a real English style pump.
PLF: An original hand pump?
BG: Yes it’s an old hand pump. But all the others are the latter Sanky single entry kegs.
PLF: What’s particularly interesting about your brewery?
BG: It is the only one the country that’s making a real, real ale as I consider it… highly hopped and all that sort of stuff.
PLF: You said that you have five different types of beer that you brew?
BG: Yeah, right at the moment… We make several seasonal beers. Things like that.
PLF: Grants Scottish Ale?
BG: Right…
PLF: A light American Stout?
BG: We haven’t made that for about a year. We may go back to it but right now were not making it.
PLF: And you are probably doing a Christmas Ale right now?
BG: Yes
PLF: High gravity?
BG: Yes
PLF: An India Pale Ale?
BG: Yes we’re making that. We dropped that temporarily to brew the Christmas Ale.
PLF: And let’s see… there is another one I don’t have on this list…
BG: We have Grant’s Imperial Stout, that’s out second product.
PLF: You brew that pretty much all the time?
BG: Yes
PLF: It’s an “all malt” ale?
BG: Yes… all of them are.
PLF: And all are top-fermented?
BG: Yes
PLF: Do you cultivate your own yeast?
BG: Yes… I developed the yeast back in the 1950’s…
PLF: A strain of Saccharomyces cerevisiae?
BG: Right
PLF: What kinds of malts do you use?
BG: Two- row exclusively.
PLF: And the particular gravity of the stouts and ales? Do they vary?
BG: We have a very low alcohol beer… Celtic Ale… That’s about nine original gravity that’s about the lowest. The rest go up to about 17.
PLF: The types of hops to use? Domestic or imported?
BG: All domestic.
PLF: Have you had a chance to try a new one called Cluster?
BG: New one! That’s the oldest of them all…
PLF: Sorry… No, that’s not the one it’s the Nugget.
BG: We played with that. We’re not using it regularly. We use Cascade regularly.
PLF: Do you do much hop blending?
BG: Not very much.
PLF: Cascade is pretty much your standard?
BG: That’s our standard. We use some Galena, some Eroica, and a few others but, basically it’s Cascade.
PLF: As far as distribution… You have a very large area?
BG: Well, the particular concentration is in Seattle. We go up and down the coast from there. But it’s very limited distribution outside of Seattle.
PLF: Just to get back to the brew itself you do a one step or two step?
BG: Two-step upward infusion.
PLF: As far as conditioning, is it cask conditioned?
BG: The beer we do our own pub is cask conditioned but the other is tank conditioned and then, according to the regulations in Washington we have to filter it for outside the brewpub. We have to send out filtered beer. So it’s filtered.
PLF: Ever state seems to have a whole different set of regulations… That doesn’t make it easy for brewpubs. Do you have any trouble with state regulations and starting to open a brewpub or rather the traditional brewery?
BG: We had some difficulty. They didn’t believe in their own laws. We read it and it was perfectly legal to have a brewpub and then we went to apply for the license they said “Oh… no…a brewery can’t have a pub.” I said, “Yes we can.” I quoted them the regulation. And they said “Well, we’ll have to look into that.” Even though it was written down. But we weren’t that anxious about it so it really didn’t matter.
PLF: Which of your brews are you particularly proud of?
BG: All of them
PLF: What types of people are interested in your beer?
BG: Either a person who’s traveled or one that knows beer. I don’t think appeals to someone who just drinks anything.
PLF: Can you think of a particular type of column you would be interested in seeing our beer newsletter?
BG: I think any of them can be valuable… news items… new things are coming up. That’s the main thing. That’s the main reason I like getting into the biweekly thing… Brewers Bulletin…
PLF: What you see as the most important challenge to be met by brewers today?
BG: Small brewers? It’s just getting started. I think the biggest challenge is the (concentration of) brewing in certain states. There are only certain states where there are any more than one or two and I think we have to get them spread out into other areas.
PLF: Do you see any particular reason why the small breweries have grown on the West Coast and in the Northwest?
BG: More adventures drinkers probably.